Saturday, 15 September 2012

Why Can't a Girl Propose? (Arranged Marriage Scenario)



**Scenarios #1 and #3 are mentioned in the previous post**

Scenario #2: Arranged Marriages….


Friend
Okay, there's the more traditional way which is arranged marriages "جواز صالونات" where a girl's father walks up to my father, and discusses this matter with him.
Quite frankly, I will be repulsed from the girl even before I meet her

Me
And what if after meeting her, you find that she's not as you expected
I don't mind the primary reaction, because I'd do so
But if the "arranged" method brings in someone who's like... HAAAAAALLLEJAH, I WOULD change my mind!

Friend
You see, the thing is, for someone to do so, she would probably be dealing with low self esteem for her father to treat her like a commodity and quite frankly, I've had enough dealing with psychological issues!
And it's a long shot for this to happen, but if the hallelujah moment comes, I think I'd have to fiercely talk myself into it to accept it

Me
WHOA WHOA WHOA.... father treating her like a commodity? THAT IS A HORRIBLE VIEW!!

Friend
Horrible but true, because what he's doing is offering her as a product for someone else to buy.

Me
Of course not... with all due respect, that is BULL SHIT!
If she's FORCED into it, okay, treat the scenario as you wish
Bas what he's doing is trying to find her someone he'd feel safe to give his daughter away to
So he finds someone who's suitable, and whose family is as well
And he suggests him as an option...
They see if the kids would get along or not
They either agree or they don't
How on earth is that treating her like a commodity??
You have got to hear my father talking about "giving me away" one day...
Sane fathers don't think like you believe they do!!

Friend
Sane fathers! We don't have that many sane fathers!

Me
What I mean to say, if my father takes the initiative, and goes to my crush's father to make way for me meeting the guy... HELL, HE'D BE THE WORLD'S MOST KICK ASS FATHER EVER
And I believe we have many of those fathers, but we always prefer to prejudice against our parents

Friend
Okay, hold on a second, he's not a crush
Your father goes to his friend, for example, who has a son and you two never met
And he decides to hook you up with him.
But if we consider the 'crush' scenario, the 'freaking out' level may drop a bit!
It would be still there, but most definitely a lot less

Me
Yeah... but yet again, it's like when we were kids, and we'd refuse to eat something we'd never tasted before, claiming that we don't like it

Friend
I don't think you can make such comparisons.
I'm not convinced for a reason; sometimes you rush things over a bit because the parents are conservative, and they want to get their daughter married; then they give time for the relationship to develop after marriage!

Me
If you decide to "give it a shot" you can always ask for all the time you need before you "rush into anything"
And then you can choose whether or not you can carry on

Friend
I haven't seen an arranged marriage that goes that way. But I am not the judge of it because I haven't seen many cases. But from experience, arranged marriage = conservative = rushing into things

Me
But then, you're only following a stereotypical image

Friend
True
Let's shift to another context?

Why Can't a Girl Propose?

Why can't a girl propose?


What you are about to read was a conversation between one of my friends and I a couple of days ago. Minimal editing was done to turn the IMing lingo into a proper readable one.... 
Yesterday, I had a very interesting discussion with dad  about the possibility of me one day proposing to a guy, and how to do that!!!!

HAHAHAHHAHAHAHA!!
WHY would you want to propose in the first place?!

Because I highly find it unfair that I have wait around WAITING for someone to knock our door. What if I find someone whom I believe is a suitable potential husband. What if it doesn't cross his mind to propose... why should I wait there helplessly?

Hmmm… if it doesn't come to his mind to propose, then why propose to him in the first place men? Someone who isn't even considering the idea…

Those are "what ifs".... But taking the chance makes it a definite truth. It may be a successful trial, and it may blow up in my face. What I can do is conduct enough research before taking a concrete step; but then, guys also never know what the girl's response will be.
So... it's nothing weird that the proposal might be met with rejection.

The Freaking Out Theory…
 

No, the rejection could come from the girl because she doesn't feel that she's into him or something. However, if you did so, rejection from a guy will probably come from either intimidation or freaking out of the weirdness of this step

Presentation methods may make a difference. I wouldn't tap his shoulder and go like "Hey, I like you, will you marry me?"
More like... drag him into it... then subtly suggest it.

This is a dating proposal, not marriage!
I think that if he even sensed that's you are proposing in any possible way, he will be freaking out for the aforementioned reasons. 

Okay, let's take you as an example…
If a girl proposes to you... what would you do? And kindly state the kind of social context through which you have previously known her; which means, you'll give me several responses, to several kinds of girls
And be flexible with the imagination; don't tell me you'll freak out from them all!!

Scenario #1: Have been previously dating...


Okay, let's imagine contexts…
If we have met somewhere, and have been dating for, let's say a year.
While we are having dinner somewhere nice, she would say: "Hey, we have been dating for a while; don't you think we should take our relationship to the next level?" and maybe she could pop the question...
Quite frankly, I wouldn't freak out in that context, because if you have been dating for a year or so, evidently, you will discuss that issue and she happens to take initiative and pop the question

Perfect, that is a context which from the very start was leading to that point
What else....


**Scnario #2: Arranged Marriages was too long… You'll find it in a separate post, if you're interested to read it**

Scenario #3: Acquaintances with no profound social context


Okay, let's say, someone you've known for a while, but never within a close or intimate context... and she decides she likes you, and wants to take a chance on you...
Kinds of approach, and reactions?

Quite frankly, I won't freak out at all; I would dive into this if I feel the same way about her. I'd say "why not!"

But then... let me ask you this, for it's quite crucial... how would you imagine she'd suggest you getting closer?

There's a difference between spilling out to a guy that u want to get intimate with him and proposing marriage. BIG DIFFERENCE!

For me, a simple talk over a cup of tea or coffee will do the trick, and she spilling her thoughts to me

Why do you see proposal as a onetime shot...
It's more of a process that may start with a cup of coffee

There's difference between telling someone you love him and then both of you would see where that it takes you, and going to the person saying I want to marry you!

Where do you think the first scenario leads?? 
That's what I meant by "presentation methods would make a lot of difference"

The first one was subtle; she was proposing, but she led the way for him to take the initiative

So, a girl meeting you for cup of coffee to tell you that she likes you, and wishes to know you better, on a tighter scope.... sounds fine for you?

Yeah

So, there is a way after all for a girl to propose 

Let's say it's a smart way of putting the idea of proposing inside the man's head 

This is a fucked of mental context where one doesn't mind being manipulated, whereas straightforward attitude poses as scary!!!!
"Oh, please play around with my head, but don't ask me right away"


Justification


Friend

LOL!
What is considered a women's thing? Anything that's specially for women?

Giving birth, and breast feeding?
And we would LOVE to see men go through that beautiful experience 

Hahaha!
I just can't think of any other alternatives that aren't painful

Cooking? House hold?
Also, you are most welcome to join in....
Changing diapers?
Be our guest....
Doing every single thing?
Please be a little sensible, and appreciate it....
Those are women's things....

What I was going to say is, some things give a man his macho man powers just like women have certain things that give them their feminine powers, and none of them want the other to interfere in them.

You know what gives us feminine power? or at least that's what I think…
To be seen beautiful, inside before outside....
And to be appreciated for our efforts
To be appreciated in general, for who we are...

The inside thing; sometimes I don't feel like women do know that they must be loved from the inside
And true, I think it's a basic human need to be appreciated for what you do

Maybe some women don't realize that, because that's how the general male society shows their attraction for females....
So, it's subtly embedded that unless you look beautiful/ hot, no one will ever notice you

That has become an unquestionable notion…
Social context + bad parenting can cause disasters! 

Wrapping things up....


So you see.... I don't like playing victim and all... but societal measures are pretty much screwed up

Correct….

And I find the relationships arena a place to put up a fight
But the general sphere requires one to do so
The fight becomes one against bent ideas
And shattered standards

True, but the thing is, you are smart enough to pick your battles
To go all "screw the society and all its standards"
I do believe that there are some things which you are capable of changing and fighting, and some that you can't fight alone

True... but at the end of the day, they're worth fighting for
Chances are you may win or lose
But there's always the middle grounds chance that you may cause influence
Where someone picks up the fight where you stopped